From: Sirman A Celayir 
To: rnolle@astropro.com
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 12:31:08 -0500
Subject: Wrong chart for Elke Sommer
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Hello Richard,

Some of your monthly charts have errors in them. I am still checking, 
will let you know.

1) Elke SOMMER. You ran her in Berlin but West Longitude; 
    same coordinates, make it East.
2) Jonbenet RAMSEY. you show birth time 11:56 am EDT, 
    Lois Rodden at 1:36 am EDT. 
    I presume Lois is correct, or you have an earlier version of her book
    with different data.  The chart is on her web site.
3) Jane FONDA. You list her time as 7:57 PM, EST 73W57,40N45;
    Rodden chart has her at 9:14 am EST. 73W59,40N46
4) Oprah Winfrey. The time of birth you use on your chart is significantly
   different than the one on the Lois Rodden site. Which is the correct one?

Be well,
Sirman (of AsterPro)
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REPLIES

1) ELKE SOMMER. Actually, as long as I'm correcting it, I may as well get it
right - and that won't do it. With regard to Elke Sommer, my typo (substituting
west for east longitude, made in the days before automated entry) isn't the
half of it. I researched the matter and found that the time zone and date are
wrong as well. All standard published references (non-astrological) give NOV 5 as
her birthday - not NOV 6. (NOV 6 was an error introduced by Ebertin, apparently
picked up by Rodden.) And the proper time zone hour for Berlin on this date
is CEWT (aka CED), which is -2 hours.

I'll be dropping Sommer from my collection, or else moving her to NOV 5 in
place of Walton. (I'll probably just drop her entirely, since her data are
now reduced to DD status.) Meanwhile I'll see who I've got on hand to fill in
the vacated NOV 5 slot.

Thanks for your sharp eye!

-- Richard
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2) NO RESPONSE on JONBENNET RAMSEY!

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3) JANE FONDA. The data I have were published as "A" (from the person or family
member) by Rodden in her "Profiles of Women" in 1979. Many years later, Edwin
Steinbrecher got a copy of Fonda's birth certificate with the time of 9:14 AM
in Manhattan - since picked up by Rodden. So the proper BC "AA" data for Jane
Fonda from Steinbrecher are 9:14 AM EST in Manhattan, NY (73W59, 40N46).
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4) OPRAH WINFREY. Who knows? Rodden herself cites both times as from Winfrey.
I'll let that one stand as is. Since both are based on Oprah's own statement
and one contradicts the other, what's a conscientious astrologer to do?
They're both "A" class data, and yet the fact they're contractictory
makes them "DD" by definition. If anything, I may change it to "DD"
class.


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